Trump Was Not ‘Fully Informed’ in Campaign Vows on Wall, Chief of Staff Says


Mr. Kelly made the remarks at a meeting with members of the Hispanic Caucus, as a group known as the Twos — the No. 2 Democrat and Republican in both the House and Senate — worked toward negotiating a deal to protect from deportation the young undocumented immigrants known as Dreamers. The meeting with the Hispanic caucus was first reported by The Washington Post.

Mr. Kelly expressed confidence that the negotiations to preserve the protections provided by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, the Obama-era policy that Mr. Trump moved in September to end, would succeed, though not necessarily this week. The president gave Congress six months to enact a replacement for the program, which protects about 780,000 young people.

“There’s no doubt in my mind there’s going to be a deal, so long as men and women on both sides are willing to talk,” Mr. Kelly said in an interview with Fox News.

As recently as Sunday, Mr. Trump was far more pessimistic about the program’s future and criticized its Democratic supporters. “DACA is probably dead because the Democrats don’t really want it, they just want to talk and take desperately needed money away from our Military,” he wrote on Twitter.

Mr. Kelly told lawmakers that “he was the one who tempered” Mr. Trump “on the issue of the wall, on the issue of DACA,” said Representative Raúl Grijalva, Democrat of Arizona, who attended the session.

Representative Luis V. Gutiérrez, Democrat of Illinois, who was also at the meeting, quoted Mr. Kelly as having told the group that, “a 50-foot wall from sea to shining sea isn’t what we’re going to build.”

Mr. Gutiérrez told reporters that at the meeting, Mr. Kelly said that during the presidential campaign, “there were statements made about the wall that were not informed statements.”

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Mr. Trump often cited his promise to build a “big, beautiful wall” to energize his campaign rallies.


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Marc T. Short, the White House director of legislative affairs, denied the Democrats’ characterization of Mr. Kelly’s comments about the president’s familiarity with immigration issues, telling CNN in an interview: “I don’t recall General Kelly saying the president was uninformed.”

But he did not dispute the notion that the president has changed his view of what is needed to secure the border, based in part on information from Customs and Border Protection, the government agency charged with immigration enforcement.

The wall has been a prominent issue in the negotiations over DACA, with Mr. Trump insisting that funding to build it be part of any such bill, along with measures to limit the extended family members immigrants can sponsor for entry into the United States and an end to the diversity visa lottery.

As Mr. Trump’s first secretary of homeland security, Mr. Kelly presided over the beginnings of the president’s immigration crackdown, including the enactment of his travel ban and tougher interior enforcement measures.

But Mr. Kelly did not push the idea of a solid wall across the entire southern border, arguing from the outset that “a physical barrier will not do the job.” More recently, he has prevailed upon Mr. Trump not to dwell on the idea of Mexico paying for the wall, a notion that the president has not mentioned for some time.

“He used the word ‘evolved,’” Mr. Grijalva said, adding that Mr. Kelly said Mr. Trump has “evolved, in the general context of the wall and DACA, and he said you make campaign promises; that’s different from governing.”

Two House Democratic aides who attended the meeting confirmed the accounts given by Mr. Grijalva and Mr. Gutiérrez.

Representative Lucille Roybal-Allard, Democrat of California, said she sought a clarification from Mr. Kelly about what would constitute the border wall that Mr. Trump is seeking, since “so many people have different ideas about what the wall actually is.”

Mr. Kelly said that since taking office, Mr. Trump “realizes what the realities are, and that they are no longer considering the wall to be what was described in the campaign,” Ms. Roybal-Allard said.


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“It wasn’t until he got to the White House that he was better informed in terms of what were the possibilities in terms of barriers,” Ms. Roybal-Allard added, recalling what Mr. Kelly said about Mr. Trump.

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